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No. 10352135
United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
Hudnall v. Dudek
No. 10352135 · Decided March 7, 2025
No. 10352135·Ninth Circuit · 2025·
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Case Details
Court
United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
Decided
March 7, 2025
Citation
No. 10352135
Disposition
See opinion text.
Full Opinion
FOR PUBLICATION
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
JOHN S. HUDNALL, No. 23-3727
D.C. No.
Plaintiff - Appellant,
4:22-cv-02864-
DMR
v.
OPINION
LELAND DUDEK, Acting
Commissioner of Social Security,
Defendant - Appellee.
Appeal from the United States District Court
for the Northern District of California
Donna M. Ryu, Chief Magistrate Judge, Presiding
Argued and Submitted November 19, 2024
San Jose, California
March 7, 2025
Before: Susan P. Graber, Michelle T. Friedland, and Patrick
J. Bumatay, Circuit Judges.
Opinion by Judge Bumatay
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SUMMARY *
Social Security Disability Benefits
The panel affirmed the district court’s judgment
affirming the denial of John Hudnall’s application for
disability benefits, and held that under the Social Security
Administration’s new regulations promulgated in 2017,
Administrative Law Judges (“ALJs”) are no longer required
to provide germane reasons when discounting the testimony
of lay witnesses.
Prior to the 2017 regulations, this court’s precedent
required ALJs to give germane reasons to each witness when
discounting nonmedical lay testimony in Social Security
proceedings. The 2017 regulations provide that ALJs are not
required to articulate how they considered evidence from
nonmedical sources.
The panel held that because the revised Social Security
regulations covering nonmedical evidence fall within the
Commissioner of Social Security’s broad authority to
promulgate evidentiary rules and nothing indicates that they
are “arbitrary and capricious,” they are the new governing
law. The regulations are clearly irreconcilable with this
court’s precedent requiring “germane reasons” to reject lay
witness testimony. Because the regulations constitute an
intervening higher authority, the germane reasons precedent
no longer applies to claims filed on or after March 27, 2017,
*
This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
HUDNALL V. DUDEK 3
and in considering such claims, ALJs need not explain their
reasons for discounting evidence from nonmedical sources.
With this new governing framework in mind, the panel
held that the ALJ did not err in discounting without
explanation evidence that Hudnall’s wife provided regarding
his limitations.
The panel resolved all other issues in a concurrently filed
memorandum disposition.
COUNSEL
Harvey P. Sackett (argued), Sackett & Associates, San
Francisco, California; Betsy R. Shepard, Dallas, Georgia; for
Plaintiff-Appellant.
Shea L. Bond (argued) and Daniel P. Talbert, Special
Assistant United States Attorneys; Mathew W. Pile,
Associate General Counsel; Office of Program Litigation,
Office of the General Counsel; Ismail J. Ramsey, United
States Attorney; Social Security Administration, Baltimore,
Maryland; for Defendant-Appellee.
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OPINION
BUMATAY, Circuit Judge:
For many years, our court has had a rule for
administrative law judges (“ALJs”) in Social Security
proceedings: “If the ALJ wishes to discount the testimony of
the lay witnesses, he must give reasons that are germane to
each witness.” Dodrill v. Shalala, 12 F.3d 915, 919 (9th Cir.
1993). But in 2017, the Social Security Administration
revamped its regulations. The amended regulations now
undermine our “germane reason” requirement. See 20
C.F.R. § 404.1520c(d). Because of this regulatory change,
we hold that our “germane reasons” requirement no longer
applies to Social Security claims filed on or after March 27,
2017. See Revisions to Rules Regarding the Evaluation of
Medical Evidence, 82 Fed. Reg. 5844, 5844 (Jan. 18, 2017).
I.
John Hudnall worked as a financial advisor for fifteen
years. After losing his job, Hudnall became paranoid and
accused his wife of trying to poison him. His wife took him
to the hospital, where he was placed on a psychiatric hold.
Hudnall’s condition improved, and he was released a little
over a week later. For several months after his release,
Hudnall received treatment for major depressive disorder,
anxiety, and insomnia. But between 2016 and 2020, Hudnall
did not seek treatment for his mental health condition. In
2020, when he resumed treatment, his condition improved
once again.
On March 10, 2020, shortly before he restarted
treatment, Hudnall applied for disability benefits under the
Social Security Act. In his application, Hudnall stated that
HUDNALL V. DUDEK 5
he had stopped working on May 1, 2015, because of his
psychological condition. The Social Security
Administration denied Hudnall’s application and his request
for reconsideration. Hudnall then sought a hearing before an
ALJ.
Hudnall submitted, along with other medical evidence, a
“third-party” “function report” prepared by his wife, Miyuki
Sato. In the questionnaire, Sato explained that Hudnall has
had severe depression since 2015 and that he has not been
able to work because “he has challenges in focusing,
socializing, and self care.” Sato described that Hudnall has
trouble staying on task, takes longer than usual to do chores,
and must be reminded to shave or get a haircut. She also
detailed his struggles with organizing his financial affairs
and paying bills on time. But Sato also stated that Hudnall
could drive, shop at the grocery store, count change, and use
a checkbook.
The ALJ considered Sato’s lay evidence together with
the medical evidence. The ALJ accurately summarized
Sato’s observations about Hudnall’s limitations. The ALJ
noted Sato’s statements related to his “alleged disability,”
but the ALJ emphasized that Sato reported that Hudnall
could drive a car, walk 30-40 minutes daily, shop online and
telephonically, and socialize with his immediate family.
Relying on the medical evidence, the ALJ found that
Hudnall could perform a full range of work with several
limitations and, ultimately, found him not disabled under the
Social Security Act. In determining Hudnall’s residual
functional capacity, the ALJ relied expressly on the medical
evidence and on Hudnall’s self-reported activities but did not
expressly articulate how she considered Sato’s evidence.
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Hudnall sought review of the ALJ’s decision. The
district court granted summary judgment for the Social
Security Administration. Hudnall timely appeals that
decision. We have jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1291, and
we review the district court’s decision de novo. Woods v.
Kijakazi, 32 F.4th 785, 788 (9th Cir. 2022). In this opinion,
we address only Hudnall’s challenge to the ALJ’s rejection
of his wife’s lay evidence. We resolve all other issues in a
concurrently filed memorandum disposition.
II.
A.
Our longstanding precedent has required ALJs to give
germane reasons for discounting the testimony of lay
witnesses. See Dodrill, 12 F.3d at 919. Under that
precedent, “competent lay witness testimony ‘cannot be
disregarded without comment.’” Molina v. Astrue, 674 F.3d
1104, 1114 (9th Cir. 2012) (simplified). Although we did
not require discussion of every witness “on a[n]
individualized, witness-by-witness basis,” to reject lay
witness’s testimony, the ALJ had to point to “germane
reasons” for doing so. Id. Our “germane reasons”
requirement was “in accord” with the then-existing Social
Security regulations, which required the ALJ to consider
testimony from a claimant’s family and friends. Id.
But the Social Security Administration promulgated new
regulations in 2017. See 82 Fed. Reg. 5844 (Jan. 18, 2017).
Under the new regulations, nonmedical sources—including
lay testimony from friends and family—are still considered
in determining the “consistency” of “medical opinion(s) or
prior administrative medical finding(s).” 20 C.F.R.
§ 404.1520c(c)(2); see id. § 404.1502(e) (defining
“nonmedical source”). But the regulation provides that
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ALJs “are not required to articulate how [they] considered
evidence from nonmedical sources.” Id. § 404.1520c(d).
These regulations apply to claims filed on or after March 27,
2017. See 82 Fed. Reg. 5844 (Jan. 18, 2017).
Given this new provision, our “germane reasons”
precedent is no longer “in accord” with Social Security
regulations. Although our precedent demands explanation
for the rejection of each lay witness’s testimony, the
governing regulations now expressly allow ALJs to discount
nonmedical evidence without explanation. See Molina, 674
F.3d at 1114 (recognizing that “there is a distinction between
what an adjudicator must consider and what the adjudicator
must explain in the disability determination or decision.”
(simplified)). Ordinarily, only an en banc court may
overrule Ninth Circuit precedent. See Miller v. Gammie, 335
F.3d 889, 892–93 (9th Cir. 2003) (en banc). But that is not
the case when our precedent’s “reasoning or theory . . . is
clearly irreconcilable with the reasoning or theory of
intervening higher authority.” Woods, 32 F.4th at 790
(simplified). And amended Social Security regulations may
qualify as “intervening higher authority.” Id.
The new Social Security regulations dealing with the
treatment of nonmedical sources constitute an intervening
higher authority. Under the Social Security Act, “the
Commissioner has wide latitude ‘to make rules and
regulations and to establish procedures . . . to carry out [the
statutory] provisions,’ in particular regulations governing
‘the nature and extent of the proofs and evidence . . . to
establish the right to benefits.’” Id. (quoting 42 U.S.C.
§ 405(a)); see also Bowen v. Yuckert, 482 U.S. 137, 145
(1987) (observing the Commissioner’s “exceptionally broad
authority” to promulgate evidentiary rules, which may be set
aside only if they exceed the agency’s statutory authority or
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are “arbitrary and capricious”). Because the new regulations
covering nonmedical evidence fall within the
Commissioner’s broad authority and nothing indicates that
they are “arbitrary and capricious,” they are the new
governing law.
The revised Social Security regulations are clearly
irreconcilable with our precedent requiring “germane
reasons” to reject lay witness testimony. Thus, our
“germane reasons” precedent no longer applies to claims
filed on or after March 27, 2017, and in considering such
claims, ALJs need not explain their reasons for discounting
evidence from nonmedical sources, such as the claimant’s
friends and family.
B.
With the new governing framework in mind, the issue
here is straightforward. Hudnall’s wife provided a
questionnaire describing his limitations. Although the ALJ
summarized her statement, Hudnall faults the ALJ for not
providing reasons for rejecting the limitations she described.
Hudnall argues that it was reversible error to fail to give
germane reasons for rejecting this lay evidence. But because
ALJs “are not required to articulate how [they] considered
evidence from nonmedical sources,” 20 C.F.R.
§ 404.1520c(d), the ALJ did not err in discounting the
spousal evidence without explanation.
AFFIRMED.
Plain English Summary
FOR PUBLICATION UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT JOHN S.
Key Points
01FOR PUBLICATION UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT JOHN S.
02OPINION LELAND DUDEK, Acting Commissioner of Social Security, Defendant - Appellee.
03Ryu, Chief Magistrate Judge, Presiding Argued and Submitted November 19, 2024 San Jose, California March 7, 2025 Before: Susan P.
04DUDEK SUMMARY * Social Security Disability Benefits The panel affirmed the district court’s judgment affirming the denial of John Hudnall’s application for disability benefits, and held that under the Social Security Administration’s new re
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