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No. 10376011
United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
East Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Donald J. Trump
No. 10376011 · Decided April 10, 2025
No. 10376011·Ninth Circuit · 2025·
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Case Details
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United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
Decided
April 10, 2025
Citation
No. 10376011
Disposition
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Full Opinion
FOR PUBLICATION
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
EAST BAY SANCTUARY No. 23-16032
COVENANT; CENTRAL
AMERICAN RESOURCE CENTER; D.C. No. 4:18-cv-
TAHIRIH JUSTICE CENTER; 06810-JST
NATIONAL CENTER FOR
LESBIAN RIGHTS; IMMIGRANT
DEFENDERS LAW CENTER; ORDER
AMERICAN GATEWAYS,
Plaintiffs-Appellees,
v.
DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the
United States; PAMELA BONDI,
Attorney General; UNITED STATES
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE;
SIRCE E. OWEN; EXECUTIVE
OFFICE FOR IMMIGRATION
REVIEW; KRISTI NOEM; U.S.
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND
SECURITY; KIKA SCOTT; UNITED
STATES CITIZENSHIP AND
IMMIGRATION SERVICES; PETE
R. FLORES; UNITED STATES
CUSTOMS AND BORDER
PROTECTION,
Defendants-Appellants.
2 EAST BAY SANCTUARY COVENANT V. TRUMP
Appeal from the United States District Court
for the Northern District of California
Jon S. Tigar, District Judge, Presiding
Argued and Submitted November 7, 2023
Submission Vacated February 21, 2024
Resubmitted April 10, 2025
Pasadena, California
Filed April 10, 2025
Before: William A. Fletcher, Richard A. Paez, and
Lawrence VanDyke, Circuit Judges.
Order;
Concurrence by Judge VanDyke
SUMMARY *
Immigration
In an appeal in which the government challenged the
district court’s judgment vacating a rule called
Circumvention of Lawful Pathways (“the Rule”), the panel
vacated its prior order staying the case pending settlement
discussions (which were ultimately not successful); vacated
the district court’s July 25, 2023, judgment; and remanded
for the district court to address: (1) the impact of Food and
*
This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
EAST BAY SANCTUARY COVENANT V. TRUMP 3
Drug Administration v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine,
602 U.S. 367 (2024), on the issue of organizational standing;
and (2) the impact of Executive Order 14165 § 7(a)–(b),
which terminated the “lawful pathways” on which the Rule
relies in part.
Concurring in the judgment, Judge VanDyke reluctantly
agreed with the decision to remand, but wrote separately to
point out how the latest chapter in this sad, protracted saga
powerfully illustrates an unhealthy condition afflicting the
very foundations of our national government. Judge
VanDyke wrote that the problem is the ease with which one
just one (district) or two (circuit) judges can effectively
dictate nationwide policy on monumental issues for very
long periods of time with no plenary Supreme Court review
of the merits—indeed, sometimes longer than any single
president could ever serve. That is starkly demonstrated by
this case, where after the better part of a decade of what
appears to be an extended game of Supreme Court keep-
away this case is now being sent back to the district court for
essentially a full restart. But all the controversial and flawed
circuit precedent it created and reinforced remains, binding
the hands of the executive branch, district courts, and future
panels of this court on critical immigration policies.
COUNSEL
Brian M. Boynton (argued), Principal Deputy Assistant
Attorney General; Daniel J. Tenny, Sean R. Janda, and Brian
J. Springer, Appellate Staff Attorneys; Civil Division,
United States Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.;
Christina P. Greer and Patrick J. Glen, Senior Litigation
Counsel; Erez Reuveni, Assistant Director; William C.
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Peachey, Director; Office of Immigration Litigation, Civil
Division, United States Department of Justice, Washington,
D.C.; for Defendants-Appellants.
Spencer E. Wittmann Amdur (argued), Katrina L. Eiland,
Morgan Russell, Oscar S. Roman, and Cody Wofsy,
American Civil Liberties Union Foundation Immigrants’
Rights Project, San Francisco, California; Michelle Y. Cho,
American Civil Liberties Union Foundation of Northern
California, San Francisco, California; Lee P. Gelernt, Omar
C. Jadwat, Wafa Junaid, and Judy Rabinovitz, American
Civil Liberties Union Foundation Immigrants’ Rights
Project, New York, New York; Melissa E. Crow, Center for
Gender & Refugee Studies, Washington, D.C.; Anne E.
Peterson, Blaine Bookey, Julie B. Bourdoiseau, and Karen
Musalo, Center for Gender & Refugee Studies, San
Francisco, California; Robert Pauw, Gibbs Houston Pauw,
Seattle, Washington; Keren H. Zwick, Richard Caldarone,
Colleen Cowgill, and Mary Georgevich, National Immigrant
Justice Center, Chicago, Illinois; Angelo Guisado and Baher
Azmy, Center for Constitutional Rights, New York, New
York; for Plaintiffs-Appellees.
Matt A. Crapo and Christopher J. Hajec, Immigration
Reform Law Institute, Washington, D.C., for Amicus Curiae
Immigration Reform Law Institute.
Katherine L. Evans and Charles S. Ellison, Duke University
School of Law Immigrant Rights Clinic, Durham, North
Carolina, for Amici Curiae Professors of Immigration Law.
Ashley B. Vinson, Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP,
San Francisco, California, for Amici Curiae Former
Immigration Judges & Former Members of the Board of
Immigration Appeals.
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Alice Farmer, Office of the United Nations High
Commissioner for Refugees, Washington, D.C.; Robert R.
Anderson, Arnold & Porter Kaye Scholer LLP, Denver,
Colorado; Samuel M. Witten and Kaitlin Konkel, Arnold &
Porter Kaye Scholer LLP, Washington, D.C.; for Amicus
Curiae Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for
Refugees.
Kathleen R. Hartnett and Zoë Helstrom, Cooley LLP, San
Francisco, California, for Amicus Curiae National
Citizenship and Immigration Services Council 119.
Cameron C. Russell and Rebecca Berman, Freshfields
Bruckhaus Deringer US LLP, New York, New York; Justina
Sessions and J. Mia Tsui, Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer
US LLP, Redwood City, California; Seve Kale, Freshfields
Bruckhaus Deringer US LLP, Washington, D.C.; for Amici
Curiae Asylum Access México A.C. and Instituto para las
Mujeres en la Migración A.C..
Anwen Hughes, Christina Asencio, Rebecca Gendelman,
and Licha M. Nyiendo, Human Rights First, New York, New
York; Farida Chehata, Human Rights First, Los Angeles,
California; for Amici Curiae Human Rights and Legal
Services Organizations.
Neville S. Hedley, Hamilton Lincoln Law Institute,
Washington, D.C., for Amicus Curiae Hamilton Lincoln
Law Institute.
Allen Huang, Deputy State Attorney General, Office of the
Florida Attorney General, Tampa, Florida; Bridget K.
O’Hickey, Assistant Solicitor General; James H. Percival,
Chief of Staff; Henry C. Whitaker, Solicitor General, Ashley
Moody, Attorney General of Florida; Office of the Florida
Attorney General, Tallahassee, Florida; Tim Griffin,
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Attorney General of Arkansas, Office of the Arkansas
Attorney General, Little Rock, Arkansas; Theodore E.
Rokita, Attorney General of Indiana, Office of the Indiana
Attorney General, Indianapolis, Indiana; Brenna Bird,
Attorney General of Iowa, Office of the Iowa Attorney
General, Des Moines, Iowa; Russell Coleman, Attorney
General of Kentucky, Office of the Kentucky Attorney
General, Frankfort, Kentucky; Lynn Fitch, Attorney General
of Mississippi, Office of the Mississippi Attorney General,
Jackson, Mississippi; Andrew Bailey, Attorney General of
Missouri, Office of the Missouri Attorney General; Kansas
City, Missouri; Austin Knudsen, Attorney General of
Montana, Office of the Montana Attorney General, Helena,
Montana; Mike Hilgers, Attorney General of Nebraska,
Office of the Nebraska Attorney General, Lincoln,
Nebraska; John Formella, Attorney General of New
Hampshire, Office of the New Hampshire Attorney General,
Concord, New Hampshire; Drew Wrigley, Attorney General
of North Dakota, Office of the North Dakota Attorney
General, Bismark, North Dakota; Dave Yost, Attorney
General of Ohio, Office of the Ohio Attorney General,
Columbus, Ohio; Alan Wilson, Attorney General of South
Carolina, Office of the South Carolina Attorney General,
Columbia, South Carolina; Marty Jackley, Attorney General
of South Dakota, Office of the South Dakota Attorney
General, Pierre, South Dakota; Ken Paxton, Attorney
General of Texas, Office of the Texas Attorney General,
Austin, Texas; Sean Reyes, Attorney General of Utah,
Office of the Utah Attorney General, Salt Lake City, Utah;
Jason Miyares, Attorney General of Virginia, Office of the
Virginia Attorney General, Richmond, Virginia; for Amici
Curiae States of Florida, Arkansas, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky,
Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire,
EAST BAY SANCTUARY COVENANT V. TRUMP 7
North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas,
Utah, and Virginia
ORDER
In this appeal, the government challenges the district
court’s judgment vacating a rule called Circumvention of
Lawful Pathways (“the Rule”). See 88 Fed. Reg. 31314
(May 16, 2023); E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Biden, 683
F. Supp. 3d 1025 (N.D. Cal. 2023).
Following oral argument, we granted the parties’ request
to place this appeal in abeyance pending the parties’
settlement discussions. On February 5, 2025, the parties
notified the court that their settlement discussions were not
successful, and requested an opportunity to provide their
views on how we should proceed with this appeal given legal
and factual developments while the case was in abeyance.
We granted the request and invited the parties’ views.
Having considered the parties’ submissions, we order the
following:
1. The stay previously entered by the court on August 3,
2023, is vacated.
2. The district court’s judgment entered on July 25,
2023, is vacated and the matter is remanded to the district
court for further proceedings.
In the intervening months since the completion of
briefing in this case, the Supreme Court decided Food and
Drug Administration v. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine,
602 U.S. 367 (2024). Among other issues, the Court
provided new guidance on how organizations may establish
standing to sue on their own behalf. Id. at 394–96.
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Organizational standing is an issue in this appeal. Because
the parties and the district court did not have the benefit of
Hippocratic Medicine, the district court should address its
impact in the first instance. We express no views on that
question. The district court may proceed as it deems
appropriate, including by permitting the submission of
supplemental evidence by the parties.
Further, Executive Order 14165 § 7(a)–(b), terminated
the “lawful pathways” on which the Rule relies in part. 90
Fed. Reg. 8467, 8468 (Jan. 20, 2025); 88 Fed. Reg. 31314,
31317 (May 16, 2023). The district court should also
address what impact this presidential order has on this case.
3. The filing of this order shall constitute the court’s
mandate.
4. The parties shall bear their own costs on appeal.
VACATED and REMANDED for further
proceedings.
VANDYKE, Circuit Judge, concurring in the judgment:
This case has been going on for the better part of a
decade. And now we are sending it back to the district court
to essentially restart from scratch. But even though this case
is getting a full reboot, the controversial and flawed circuit
precedent it created and reinforced remains, binding the
hands of district courts, future panels of this court, and the
executive branch on critical immigration policies. So
although I reluctantly agree with my panel colleagues that
we should remand this case to the district court for
reconsideration of the plaintiff organizations’ Article III
standing, I write separately to point out how the latest
EAST BAY SANCTUARY COVENANT V. TRUMP 9
chapter in this sad, protracted saga powerfully illustrates an
unhealthy condition afflicting the very foundations of our
national government.
The first challenge is the ease with which just one
(district) or two (circuit) judges can effectively dictate
nationwide policy on monumental issues, even where the
legal validity of the judges’ decisions is dubious. That of
course is hardly a secret; indeed, it is currently a topic of
robust national conversation.
The second challenge is related, but less well known, and
so bears discussion. This problem is that one or two
unelected judges do not just prescribe national policy on
prominent issues, but their policy prescriptions, even when
controversial and legally suspect, often last for very long
periods of time with no plenary Supreme Court review of the
merits—and often longer than any single President could
ever serve. The reason that is problematic should be clear
enough. It is already controversial when the head of the third
branch of government—the Supreme Court—unilaterally
settles the law in a way that trumps the other co-equal
branches, especially on nationally significant issues. But it
is another thing altogether for the foot or some other random
part of the sprawling third branch to tie up national
policymaking with unsettled, highly questionable legal
decisions—particularly when those doubtful decisions can
persist for a decade or more with no accountability from the
Supreme Court. And yet that is the unfortunate state of
things, as this long-running case shows well.
Indeed, the history of this case tells the whole story,
which is why I must retell it. It began in 2018 when the first
Trump administration promulgated the Port of Entry Rule
restricting asylum eligibility for aliens who entered the
10 EAST BAY SANCTUARY COVENANT V. TRUMP
United States outside a designated port of entry. 1 Eight
months later, the same administration implemented the
Transit Rule, which restricted asylum eligibility for aliens
who passed through another country on their way to the
United States without first seeking asylum in that country. 2
Organizational plaintiffs challenged each of these
immigration rules in the Northern District of California,
where the same judge set aside both rules after finding that
the organizations could bring suit. 3 The basis for those
standing determinations? The Ninth Circuit’s
much-maligned organizational standing precedents. 4
1
Aliens Subject to a Bar on Entry Under Certain Presidential
Proclamations; Procedures for Protection Claims, 83 Fed. Reg. 55934
(Nov. 9, 2018).
2
Asylum Eligibility and Procedural Modifications, 84 Fed. Reg. 33829
(July 16, 2019).
3
E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Barr, 385 F. Supp. 3d 922, 937–38 (N.D.
Cal. 2019); E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Trump, 354 F. Supp. 3d 1094,
1108–11 (N.D. Cal. 2018); E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Trump, 349 F.
Supp. 3d 838, 848–54 (N.D. Cal. 2018).
4
See, e.g., E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Biden, 993 F.3d 640, 693 (9th
Cir. 2021) (en banc) (Bumatay, J., dissenting from the denial of rehearing
en banc) (“By loosening organizational standing requirements, we only
increase our own authority to adjudicate policy disputes … [and] no
longer need to wait for a rule … to actually injure a party. Now, we can
skip ahead and immediately superintend any policy disagreement from
the get-go by entertaining the bevy of public interest organizations
willing to challenge the disfavored policy du jour. That makes us a
super-legislature, not a court.”); Fair Hous. Council of San Fernando
Valley v. Roommate.com, LLC, 666 F.3d 1216, 1224 (9th Cir. 2012)
(Ikuta, J., concurring in part and dissenting in part) (“How can an
organization have a legally protected interest in not spending money to
advance its core mission?” (emphasis in original)).
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The administration appealed to the Ninth Circuit, where
the merits panels reinforced our circuit’s loosey goosey
organizational standing precedents and ultimately affirmed
the district judge setting aside the Trump administration’s
immigration rules. 5 Soon after, the Biden administration
replaced the Trump administration as a party. But the Biden
administration chose not to seek Supreme Court review in
either case—even though the cases appeared to be a likely
win in the Supreme Court 6—so both cases returned from our
court to the same district judge with fortified organizational
standing precedents in tow.
Instead of pursuing a win from the Supreme Court
(which, even in the unlikely event the government didn’t
win, would still have had the valuable effect of definitively
settling whether our circuit’s doubtful immigration rulings
had legal merit), the Biden administration made the legally
(but not politically) inexplicable decision to simply
repromulgate with some minor tweaks the Trump
administration’s Port of Entry and Transit Rules that our
5
See E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Biden, 950 F.3d 1242 (9th Cir. 2020),
amended by, 993 F.3d 640 (9th Cir. 2021); E. Bay Sanctuary v. Covenant
v. Garland, 964 F.3d 832 (9th Cir. 2020), amended by, 994 F.3d 962 (9th
Cir. 2021).
6
The Supreme Court had earlier granted a stay of the lower court’s
decision in one of the cases, Barr v. E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant, 140 S.
Ct. 3 (2019) (mem), and four justices had indicated they would have
granted a stay in the other case, Trump v. E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant,
586 U.S. 1062 (2018) (mem). The standard for granting a stay requires
the conclusion that the party receiving the stay has shown a strong
likelihood of success on the merits. Nken v. Holder, 556 U.S. 418, 426
(2009).
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court had already struck down. 7 What happened next was
eminently predictable: the organizational plaintiffs in this
case just amended their complaint to challenge the Biden
administration’s new rule, 8 citing our court’s recent
precedent killing the Trump administration’s rules.
Unsurprisingly, the same district judge once again vacated
the Biden administration’s rule. 9
But in a surprising turn of events, my circuit panel
colleagues granted a stay pending appeal of that decision
notwithstanding the completely contrary precedents they
had created during the Trump administration. 10 Why, you
might wonder? Well, the panel majority never told us, 11 but
their stay had the obvious effect of keeping a petition for
certiorari (or application for emergency relief) off the
Justices’ desks. 12 And six months later, just as our panel was
7
E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Biden, No. 23-16032, 2023 WL
11662094, at *1 (9th Cir. Aug. 3, 2023) (VanDyke, J., dissenting from
the grant of a stay pending appeal) (“This new rule looks like the Trump
administration’s Port of Entry Rule and Transit Rule got together, had a
baby, and then dolled it up in a stylish modern outfit, complete with a
phone app.”).
8
Circumvention of Lawful Pathways, 88 Fed. Reg. 31314 (May 16,
2023).
9
E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Biden, 683 F. Supp. 3d 1025 (N.D. Cal.
2023).
10
E. Bay, 2023 WL 11662094, at *1 (majority’s order granting a stay
pending appeal).
11
Id.
12
See id. at *2 (VanDyke, J., dissenting from the grant of a stay pending
appeal) (recognizing that “one … possible reason why my colleagues are
granting a stay” is because “they see the writing on the wall that, if we
don’t stay the district court’s vacatur, the Supreme Court likely will”).
EAST BAY SANCTUARY COVENANT V. TRUMP 13
about to rule on the merits of the district court’s vacatur of
the Biden administration’s rule, thereby again setting this
case up for Supreme Court review, the parties asked us to
place this appeal in abeyance for “settlement discussions.”
Why? Again, to channel Nate Bargatze on Saturday Night
Live, “nobody knows.” 13 But my colleagues happily obliged
once more, 14 with the foreseeable result that the Biden
administration would avoid the politically fraught difficulty
of litigating and likely winning a high-profile immigration
case at the Supreme Court during a presidential election
season. 15
Fast forward to 2025 and another administration change.
Now that the organizational plaintiffs are no longer singing
Kumbaya with a friendly administration, you’d think this
case might finally be bound for Supreme Court review.
Wrong. So much time has passed in this legal twilight zone
that the law and facts in this case have potentially changed,
requiring us to punt back to the district court—the latest play
in this ongoing game of Supreme Court keep-away.
Although these changes now command sending this case
back to the district court, doing so will even further delay the
Supreme Court’s review of our circuit’s immigration
precedents for several more years (if ever), while keeping
13
E. Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Biden, 93 F.4th 1130, 1133 (9th Cir.
2024) (VanDyke, J., dissenting) (pointing out the Biden
“administration’s abrupt about-face” gave the “impression … that the
administration [wa]s snatching defeat from the jaws of victory—
purposely avoiding an ultimate win” (emphasis in original)).
14
Id. at 1131 (majority’s order placing appeal in abeyance).
15
Id. at 1133 (VanDyke, J., dissenting) (noting that “the government’s
sudden and severe change in position looks a lot like a purely politically
motivated attempt to throw the game at the last minute” and “colluding
to avoid playing their politically fraught game during an election year”).
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our circuit’s indefensible organizational standing precedents
on life support in the process.
Which brings us squarely to the current national
discussion—about how one or two lower court judges can
set long-term policy decisions on major national issues for a
very long time with little to no input from the Supreme
Court. Many criticize the Supreme Court as inappropriately
ducking these issues. But whether or not that criticism has
merit, sometimes it isn’t the Supreme Court itself that is
avoiding review of nationally important legal issues—as the
history of this long-running case clearly demonstrates. It is
lower court judges and litigants that are intentionally trying
to keep these important matters away from high court
scrutiny.
Here, judges on our circuit have engaged in a
coordinated dance with sometimes-collusive litigants to
manipulate proceedings in what makes little rational sense
except as a sustained effort to safeguard a single judge’s
ability to both direct national policy and avoid Supreme
Court review. I can think of no other explanation for my
colleagues’ willingness to grant an unexplained (and wholly
unsupported) stay to the Biden administration after
previously ruling the opposite with regard to the Trump
administration’s very similar rules. 16 Nor can I think of any
other reason for the Biden administration’s refusal to seek
certiorari. Nor for my colleagues’ eagerness to help the
parties’ legally vacuous but apparently politically motivated
request to place this case in abeyance. 17
16
E. Bay, 2023 WL 11662094, at *1–*2 (VanDyke, J., dissenting from
the grant of a stay pending appeal).
17
E. Bay, 93 F.4th at 1132–36 (VanDyke, J., dissenting).
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All this intentional shielding from Supreme Court review
is not good for our national government. By the time this
case percolates back through the court system and is ready
for Supreme Court review—assuming it isn’t judicially
sidelined again—more than a decade will have passed where
just one or two lower court judges will have imposed their
preferences on critically important immigration policies for
the entire nation. And at that point there may be yet another
administration change and perhaps another basis for arguing
that this case still just isn’t quite ready for the big leagues
yet. Meanwhile, key national issues can easily spend many
years languishing in lower court purgatory, enabling one or
two judges to dictate long-term national policy effectively
free from Supreme Court oversight.
What can be done about this? I’m not sure. But what I
do know is that it isn’t healthy and, if it continues, people
will lose faith in the judiciary. So while I reluctantly concur
in the decision to send this case back down for a restart, I
also hope something will be done about the more
fundamental flaws in the present functioning of our federal
judicial system that this case embodies. If something isn’t
done, I fear we are headed for a governmental crisis—and
one where the least dangerous branch is likely to find itself
on the losing end.
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